UPDATE 5:54 p.m.: Kat O'Brien is reporting that she spoke with Hal Steinbrenner and asked him if the Yanks were going to sign Manny and he said, "if we are, I don't know about it."
UPDATE 4:46 p.m.: Impacto Deportivo is sticking to its story. They've posted another story saying that although Cashman denied the report their source still sticks with his original story. They also said that Manny is in Brazil right now and when he returns to the US he will have a press conference announcing the deal.
UPDATE 9:49 a.m.: Bryan Hoch is now reporting that he swapped text messages with Brian Cashman and asked him about this report and Cashman's response to him was that it was "not true."
But then again Cashman never admits anything so that might not mean anything.
There is a rumor floating around the internet that Manny Ramirez is close to signing a three-year $75 million deal with the Yanks. The rumor suggests that negotiations are advanced and that an announcement could come on Monday or Tuesday. The rumor originated on Impacto Deportivo, which has been be right at times but has also reported things that turned out to be false so I'd suggest you take this with a grain of salt.
I'm not buying it. I don't think the Yankees would make a move like this until Mark Teixeira signed somewhere.
Monday, December 22, 2008
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Im sure it would of been posted in other spots if it was accurate. I agree it makes no sense to do this before anything happens with Tex. That said, I would love it, I think we for sure would have a World Series team next year, and I am not buying the crap that 3 years is too much for Manny. I think he for sure will be productive for 3 years,
It was posted on MLB Trade Rumors as well as Bryan Hoch's blog. But again, that doesn't mean it's true.
If a Dog shits in the woods, and No1 is there to see it, did the dog shit in the woods?
4get Manny, they should sign adam Dunn, tex for 8 yrs not 10, and fuentes for extra pen help.
what people do not understand, including yankee fans(myself), is that no1ne should be suprised if the yanks land both these guys. Rumor had it that there was a bid layed out for mark texiera that exceeded the red sox offer and angels offer. posibly that bid could be the yankees, considering boras has secretly had conversations with cashman about not only manny but also tex. what i feel will wind up happening, is #1 if the red sox sign tex the yankees will definetly get manny, #2 if the yankees sign tex manny will sign with either LA team. but my gut feeling is tex to boston, manny to the yanks and i think thatt may play in the yankees favor being manny really wants to stick it to boston!!! AND HE WILL BE CLUTCH IN THE PLAYOFFS, HITTING INFRONT OR BEHIND AROD
This move makes no sense regardless what happens with Teixeira.
You can't put Manny in the outfield and it would be illogical to trade Matsui because the difference between their offensive production is not worth north of $20M.
And considering they'd have to trade Matsui and eat a big part of his contract since he's a 35 yr old DH with achy knees - signing Manny would make even less sense for this team.
Don't bet on it. Manny isn't coming to the Bronx.
You can put Manny in the outfield. He'd only be there for one year, and then you could use him as the primary DH for years 2 and 3. The upgrade he would provide in the overall team offense would by FAR more than make up for his below average (not awful) defense. An outfield of Manny/Damon/Nady results in a better team due to the increased offense vs. a team of Damon/Cabrera-Gardner/Nady which offers a slight upgrade in defense but a HUGE decrease in offense (Manny vs. Cabrera/Gardner). The defensive upgrade would never come close to matching the offensive upgrade of Manny's 40 HRs 140 RBIs or so.
For one year, you can live with it. I don't remember Manny's defense ever being the reason the Red Sox, Indians, or Dodgers didn't win. Despite the silly Sportscenter highlights that Manny gets from time to time for doing something stupid, he's really not that awful of an outfielder, and agian, he would only need to be out there for one year.
Also, look at it this way. Let's assume an "off" year for Manny - 35 HRs, 100 RBIs, .900+ OPS. Now compare that to what you can expect from Gardner or Melky... 10 HRs, 70 RBIs at an absolute maximum. That's 20 extra HRs, and 30 extra RBIs, bare minimum. That's not to mention the overall effect he'd have on the offensive runs created by getting on base at a .400 clip. Don't tell me that the downgrade in defense is going to cost the Yankees 30+ runs or so, because that's the bare minimum that Manny will create over Gardner or Melky.
Last season, Manny had 134 runs created (9.27 RC27), Melky had 41.9 runs created (3.42 RC/27). In other words, a team full of Melkys would theoretically score 3.42 runs per game, while a team of Mannys would score 9.27 runs per game. Or, on an individual basis, the Yankees with Manny would score .65 more runs per game than with Melky. Or, over a full 162 game season, the Yankees would theoretically score 105.3 more runs with Manny Ramirez than with Melky Cabrera, based on 2008's per game average production.
Don't tell me that Manny in the outfield is costing us 100 runs more due to the defensive downgrade that would result. You have to be insane.
Yes, the offensive upgrade is a trade off, but it's a HUGE net positive trade off. The guy mashes, and the lineup would be devistating.
Ive seen this movie already, Manny goes to ANA, Tex to BOS...
Hope its not true, but thats wut i know will happen.
1 Time 4 ya mutha f'n mind!
I can see this as true. For one reason, who cares what Tex does. If the Yanks really just want Manny in the first place.
The Yankees are secretive at times about what they are doing.. they swoop in and you don't even see it coming. If Hank wanted this, and Brian signed off on it.. its getting done. Now lets see.
Manny is who I wanted from the get.
Basil
Wuts next Manny is dating Bet Midler?
I agree with pinstripes here 100%. Manny/Damon/Nady is not a terrible defensive outfield. Sure, Damon/Gardner/Nady is better defensivey, but Damon still has great range for a CF (terrible arm), and Manny can handle his own in LF.
Manny is an extremely smart baseball person, and people forget that this guy works his ass off. What, do you people think that Manny is a slacker who has long hair and doesn't give a shit about baseball? You think Manny would come out like Allen Iverson, saying "practice is practice"? Hell NO he wouldn't. Manny works his tail off, studies film, takes extra batting practice, everything you need to do to be a successful hitter in the big leagues. It's no secret why this guy has the offensive abilities that he does, and acquiring him can only help the team, as many of the young guys (and even some of the slacking older guys on this team) will see how hard you have to work to make the playoffs and win championships.
Manny is a winner. He works hard, he hits in the clutch. The guy is a beast, and just flat out scary with a bat in his hand. Give him the three year deal and see how many (yes, plural) championships he brings to New York.
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Manny in one of the corner spots doesn't hurt the defense that much, Jason and Pinstripes are right. But putting him in a corner spot AND Damon in center does. At this point in his career Damon much worse in center than he is in left. He's actually above average in left, and slightly below average in center.
That doesn't mean they shouldn't get Manny, though. I just think they're going to have to be creative with how they use him, Nady, Damon, and Matsui.
The thing is Matsui, Damon, and Nady don't have to play everyday. Play two out of three of them and Manny with Gardner in center and they'd be fine. They would also have a stronger bench, which is never a bad thing.
Agree with Greg, Jason and Pinstripes. Also I don't trust Matsui to play 150+ games and stay healthy even if most of those games came as a DH, never seen a guy with two bad knees coming from a recent injury stay healthy through out a whole season. I prefer seen him in PH situation and playing every 3-5 day.
I still prefer Teixeira but if we get Manny I’ll be happy, especially on a 3yr deal, heck I even give him a 4th team option year and try to pay him most of the money the first 2 yrs
Jason:
The Yankees have the two hardest working 20 million dollar men on the roster now in Jeter and A-Rod. If it hasn't rubbed off on the younger fellas yet, Manny's not going to be the one.
And I agree with Greg, that its the combo of Damon, Manny, Nady that makes the "D" overall poor. I don't have the numbers but I'd like to see a comparison of XBH's the Yankees gave up as opposed to the Rays. The Rays outfield took away gaps, that defense above for the Yankees would make the NYS outfield look like the pre-73' outfield.
If the Yankees didn't have so much dead weight, so many DH's playing defense, than this move would be a no brainer. I just can't see how Manny's offense, while substantial, is going to make up for his making what was a bad defensive team last year, even worse. You only win a handful of games 15-3. The Yanks have had star studded lineups that have gone quiet come October for to long now. You win with pitching and defense. In 98' the Yankees scored 9 runs in a three game series against the Rangers who had the best offense in baseball that year. In three games against that team they gave up 1 run.
Maybe I'm all over the map here, but you get the point. You can't just cover up poor defense with more offense. Furthermore, bad defense can make star pitchers good and good pitchers mediocre. If the Yanks add Manny and make Damon the everyday centerfielder, they would have the worst up the middle defense of any MLB team. Posada, Jeter, Cano(although I feel his defense can become a strength) Damon, will cost the Yanks a ton of runs, and you will see pitchers smacking their gloves on their legs more often than not after another groundball misses Jeter's glove by 2 feet after a dive, and Damon's arm turns a single into a double.
Anyway, I've gone on long enough. Long story short, the Yanks need to find a bat somwhere else.
What do we think of Damon's range in center? We know his arm is terrible, that's why we'll have Manny there to cut off the ball from the CF (haha). Anyways, thoughts about Damon's range in CF. If he can play 100-120 games in CF, while giving him a break in LF and DH, I think he can stay healthy and his legs can stay fresh, where his range will not be a factor on defense, just his arm.
Manny/Damon/Nady can cover enough ground. And Greg is right, they can mix and match and give Nady/Matsui days off every once in a while.
I think that you could do a Swisher/Damon/Nady outfield if you can land Teixiera for 1B. Defensive replacements can be Gardner/Melky, but that is the way to put the best hitting team on the field with Matsui at DH.
"But then again Cashman never admits anything so that might not mean anything."
So true of Cashman. I guess we will see. I think Hank has his hand in it. I think these stories of Tex and the Yankees talking are a smoke screen.
Cashman wants this quiet being he doesn't want another team coming in throwing more money, making the Yankees have to pay more. If its true, that is the reason. Just my guess.. what do I know.. lol
What a maze...
Manny in the OF would be an adventure. He shoul donly come to NY if he's a DH. If the Yankees sign Manny, what the F are the Yankees going to do with Posada when they find out he can't throw anymore? Matsui is pretty much not tradable and the same is nearly as true for Damon.
well this i must say is starting to turn out a very interesting story, but its very hard to believe that the yanks having so many OF/DH types and the fact that TEX hasnt signed yet, that the yanks would pull the trigger on this, if TEX ends up anywhere but the yanks look for manny to coming asking for us to make him an offer but until then i cant see us throwing a 3 year deal worth 25 mill a year for a clubhouse cancer ... im sry i just cant see it happening this early .. and say what you want but yanks are still involved in the TEX talks it prolly wont happen but they ARE and will REMAIN involved until he signs
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