The tickets in the upper deck are normally $23, so dropping them down to $5 is pretty significant. I'm not sure what the obstruction is, but I have to assume it's bad.
I also noticed that in the sections on ends of the bleachers; 235 and 204, there were seats in those section that did not have obstructions. It seemed like the obstructions were only in the corners - I really hope so because I got tickets to a few games in section 235 for $14 bucks.
I was wondering if any of you full or partial season ticket holders noticed any other sections with $5 seats while you were purchasing tickets over the past couple days.
What boggles my mind is how a $1.6 billion dollar stadium has this many screw ups.
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Looks like the obstructed areas are based on the foul poles. Think about the angle of sections 407 and 432. Seems to me they are looking right into the foul pole which probably blocks HP.
Thoughts?
Lonn Trost explained it, the only obstructions are on the bleachers with the restraunt that are priced at 5 dollars. Monst of the bleacher seats in sections in 235 and 201 do not have any obstructions only if you are sitting close to the restaurant.
The other obstruction I dont know it is really an obstruction has to do with the foul poles, Trost said you can see everything but he you kind of have to look around the foul pole.
Look I love this team but you know the business aspect of it sometimes just pisses me off, over 1.5billion dollars for fricking obstructions lower the tickets all you want it really is a corporate world ... it sad ... couldnt put the restaurant back a bit and put some seats in front of it to the point where fans cat reach windows but still more seats and more viewing room fans shouldnt have to worry about if they are going to see the play of our year when they are there ...
Then again us bleacher creatures dealt with not seeing many plays in the outfield due to the wall being there
Stupid.
The more $5 tickets the merrier. As long as I don't have to actually sit in them.
Just dont buy the 5 dollar tickets the obstructions will not bother you.
For $1.6 billion there should zero obstructed seat.
How does this compare to other new stadia?
All the newer stadiums have obstrutions.
im really at a loss as to why they built the crap cf restaurant the way they did. not only does it look retarded and block views they could have achieved the same revenue generators with a different design. assuming no major structural changes in the lower portion of the eye they could have developed the restaurant like they have at wriggly. then build the top portion to span into the bleacher area where obstructed seats will now be - this could have been a large terrace.
assuming some bigger structural differences in the outfield area those idiots at hok could have put the bullpens in eye area, the bleechers then could have come down to the wall - or more box seats there - and then i would have done a restaurant terrance at the top area of the bleechers that would have wrapped around the whole outfield.
I also won't have put monument park in a closet.
buy the 5 dollar seats then move around and sit somewhere else until someone has that seat.
Are you sure you weren't just referencing the Wednesday night $5 games?
I don't think so Ross. I could have sworn I was looking at a Monday game. Also aren't those only sold on gameday?
Does prices are ridiculous i usually sit behind home plate or by either dugout so i get pretty good seats but those prices are to much i better get sum free autographs and free food if im paying for those tickets
heres what i would have done for monument park. i would have put the 3 big monuments back out in deep center left fair territory. i would have made the depth of left center greater to accomodate this - probably about 420. that would ensure there would be few cases where players would run into them. i would then have a second inner wall behind the playingfield wall fore the plaques. Before game time the outfield wall would be folded back to open the warning track to the plaques. The fans would be allowed to walk onto the warning track in this area to viait the plaques, they would also be allowded to walk onto center field to view the 3 big monuments. The grass would get a little warn - so what.
I bought some $5 tickets yesterday in the Grandstand. They actually didn't say "obstructed view" when you buy them. They say "foul pole seats". Not sure if it's just because it's by the foul pole. If so, I'm cool with that. But for $5 I figured I'd take a chance with a few games. But they really, really botched the ticket situation this year. Someone should lose their job for this.
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some of the games are just marked down to 5 in the upper deck, similar to the fujifilm deal last year. one is an april game against the as, 2 are in september. Basically, all of the 8 pack weekday plan games have 5 dollar gs seats...
some of the games are just marked down to 5 in the upper deck, similar to the fujifilm deal last year. one is an april game against the as, 2 are in september. Basically, all of the 8 pack weekday plan games have 5 dollar gs seats...
lol you people have to understand these are not screwups , they designed it this way specically and they dont care. It is designed to optimize views for most at the expense of a few, get over it , you dont want the seats dont buy them.
Thank God i'm sitting in section 419 when I go.
You keep referencing to the cost of the stadium saying for "1.6" it shouldn't be any obstructions.
First learn something first before you speak. A cost of a stadium isn't based on the amount obstructed seats there are. It's based on material. IE Limestone, Granite, TV panels etc...
ALL stadiums have obstructed views. Even OYS had them.
This constant whining about obstructed views is getting just as stale as "Joba needs to be in the pen".
ENOUGH ALREADY. If you don't like the obstructed seats don't sit in it.
When you spend, or waste, that much money the planning for the project should be perfect. In this case the planning was shit.
As for the obstructed views at the old stadium, there's a difference between sitting in the upper deck and missing out on a corner of the outfield, and missing half of the damn field. If you can't see the difference you may need to go get your head examined.
And another thing; even people that I know who worked on the stadium know how crappy these seats are. They were the first people I heard this stuff from well before the first pictures came out. They told me how bad the plans were and how many problems there would be, and they were absolutely right.
Andrew,
What game are you going to with those seats and would you mind taking and sending me a picture of the view?
nothing is ever perfect, the way you design a ballpark will always come up with pluses and minuses. The old yankee stadium for example had the upperdeck hanging over close to the field, which was a nice view plus imposing to players. But with that also comes cut off views in the corners etc. New yankee stadium has some support beams on the here and there that block a few seats that are right next to them , they will prob get rid of them anyway. And of course the restaurant in center , again there are reasons for eveything, cost , pros and cons etc. for the way they designed it. they wanted a restaurant out there , sacrifices had to be made , namely 600 bleacher views obstructed, if you despise it so much then make sure you tell everyone that 5$ for those seats is a rip off and not to buy them. Then mabey they will never sell which will result in a black tarp going over those seats with ads on em , like they have in the entire upperdeck of the Oakland A's park because no one goes to their games pretty much.
A few weeks ago there was an article in Newsday regarding obstructed view seats and that other stadiums reported that they had and/or sold seats with obstructed views. The article went on to state that there are six stadiums that DO NOT have or sell obstructed views eats. Dodger Stadium, Nationals Park, Bush Stadium, Turner Field and Citifield were listed in this group. The author stated that for the stadiums constructed after 2000the main reasons given for obstructed view seating were foul poles, staircases, and railings obstructing part of the view from the seating areas.
An interesting point was that Fenway, built in 1912 listed about 700 obstructed view seats (reasons: walkways and steel columns) and the Yankees stating that there are only to 600 due to the restaurant. The Yankees forgot about the steel columns, the elevated bleacher platforms in left and right field (sections 135 and 104), the raised handicap platforms throughout the stadium that block the views of the section next to them.
What is amazing is that since 1962 when Dodger Stadium was completed, it appears that MLB learned nothing about the design flaws that contibute to obstructed view seating? Why does MLB and its owners continue to make the same mistakes? What have the six stadiums without obstructed view seating done that the others failed to do?
For the Yankees the answer is easy, GREED! Anyone can have a restaurant behind home plate like the Angeles (who do have obstructed views in right field because the pavilion seating in right center was build higher than the original right field seats). However, fans will always pay big money to sit behind home plate, the trick is to get them to pay big money to sit out in centerfield. What better way then to put a restaurant in the bleachers and charge big money for a seat and a meal. All at the expense of the average fan paying $12.
For the money the Yankees paid there is no excuse for any ostructed view seating. If one stadium can be designed and built in the early 60s without obstructed view seating, there is no reason for others to have these flawed designs.
Greg,
For $5, I'm sitting in section 307 on May 7th and section 423B on July 20th. Not sure what the obstruction is, but both say "foul pole seating". I'm going to post pictures for every game over on my blog but I'll make sure to send them over to you as well.
Glad I found your blog. Really enjoy it!
-Andrew
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CitiField does have obstructed seats. Not sure what that article is talking about.
You can look up the article in Newsday (March 13, 2009) to read the complete story. Some stadiums have obstructed view seats that are not sold or not sold until all other seats are sold game day.
For Citifield - I believe they are talking about obstructed views of the field -where I think the main problem in Citifield is the out of town scoreboard that obstructs the flight of a fly ball (they have the room to raise the scorboard about 10 feet or so to avoid this flaw).
As for the article, in addition to MLB and HOK not learning from past mistakes and problems, the thing I found amazing is that Fenway built in 1912 and the new Yankee Stadium will have (based on the Yankees admitted numbers), the same 600-700obstructed view seats. Many of us at this site think that the Yankee numbers will be higher.
I just looked at some recent pictures of Citifield and noticed a few things:
The aisles down the lines are directly behind the foul poles, it appears that will avoid some of the foul pole obstructed seats.
The restaurant is down the left field line (again avoiding seats that might have the foul pole as an obstruction.
The angle of the seats down the line are more toward the mound/home plate than Yankee Stadium and that should help with the view.
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