Wednesday, May 20, 2009

Hughes To The Pen? Neyer Says 'Yes, why not?'

From Rob Neyer (hat-tip to River Ave. Blues):

You might recall that when the Yankees were winning the American League East every single year, they developed just one starting pitcher: Andy Pettitte. Well, there was a good reason for that. Yes, they were impatient with their young pitchers, but when you're trying to win every single year you almost have to be impatient. How many young starters have the Red Sox come up with during their run of success? One: Jon Lester (and of course in Clay Buchholz, they've got a Phil Hughes of their own).

But just because the Yankees can't afford to suffer through Hughes' learning as a starter, doesn't mean they can't still benefit from his talents. From my SportsNation chat today:

    Brian (Hoboken): Why has there never been much discussion about putting Phil Hughes in the Yanks bullpen? Joba has 4-5 plus pitches, so it'd almost be a waste to put him back there. But Hughes has only 2 plus pitches, and has a recent history of injuries. He could be dominant in the 8th for awhile. I know the "Joba to the 'pen" argument is old ... so I'm starting a new one!
Yes, why not? Hughes has the low-90s fastball and the big curve and not much else, and the low-90s fastball might become a mid-90s fastball if he's out there for just an inning or two at a time. The Yankee bullpen currently sports a 5.46 ERA, third-worst in the league. Doesn't a slight change in course seem to be in order? After all, Brian Bruney can do only so much.

I suppose the argument is that Hughes still has a shot to be a good starter, but needs more Triple-A innings if that's going to happen. I don't know, though. Johan Santana got 49 Triple-A along with his bullpen apprenticeship in the majors, and he seems to have done pretty well for himself. There are different ways to succeed, and it'll be a shame if the Yankees fall short this season because they got locked into just the one way.

I've heard this idea thrown around several times and never thought much of it, not because I thought it was that bad of an idea but I just don't think it's something the Yankees want to do. However, Neyer makes a good point here, and maybe being successful out of the pen will lead to success as a start for Hughes down the road.

When Wang comes back the Yankees will have a big decision to make; send Hughes back to Triple-A or throw him in the pen and see what he can do in the late innings. One thing I don't like is the idea of using him as a long man in the pen. Having Hughes sitting in the pen unused for days at a time only to come into a blowout will help nobody.

Another way sending him to the pen could hurt his development is he decides to stop working on his changeup and slider/cutter, and focus more on his two main pitches, the curve and his fastball. That would also help nobody.

Hughes himself was asked about going to the pen and here's what he told the Daily News:

"I wouldn't be opposed to relief," Hughes said. "Good arms are valuable wherever they are slotted."

Hughes is fine with the uncertainty.

"It's not like I don't get what's going on here," he said. "Wang's going to come back and something's going to have to give . . . I have to do a good job. The rest of it is nonsense."

Can't complain about what Hughes said, at least he seems open to anything.

What is your opinion on the new Hughes-to-the-pen discussion?

9 Comments:

Anonymous said...

from The Daily News...link at bottom...

Once Wang's fate is resolved, a decision on Hughes will follow. He could take a role in the bullpen or be returned to the minors to continue starting. The Yankees' pen has been shaky with a 5.37 ERA.

"I wouldn't be opposed to relief," Hughes said. "Good arms are valuable wherever they are slotted."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/05/19/2009-05-19_chienming_wang_phil_hughes_get_set_for_different_directions.html

Anonymous said...

Actually Cone and O'Neil were saying that on the yankee broadcast a couple of days ago. They were saying Hughes has sucuess coming out of the pen. And with the bullpen being the way it is the bullpen could use Hughes. Cone said that teams used to take there top pitching prospect and first use him from the bullpen, similar to the way the yankees used Joba when he first came up.

This scumbag Neyer got this from listening to O'Neil and Cone. GIVE THEM CREDIT!!

Greg Cohen said...

Yea, Anon, I thought I heard them say something the other day, but was in the bathroom and missed most of it.

Other Anon, thanks for the quote, just added it to the main post.

Anonymous said...

The only problem with this is injury.

Hughes is the 6th starter what if another starter gets injured. Who will they bring up now that Kennedy is done for the year.

Hughes could only start if he is the longman in the pen. If he becomes a shortman he wont have the arm strengh to start. I guess Aceves would be the spot starter.

Greg Cohen said...

Very good point, Anon.

I guess like you said they've use Aceves. Unless there was a starter down in Double or Triple-A that was tearing things up.

Anonymous said...

I agree better to have a decent backup starter...With Bruney back I think this bullpen is going to come together and gel into better role players...For example with Bruney in the 8th, now Coke/Veras can battle for a 7th inning, less pressure position. I think our bullpen isnt as bad as everyone says and they also started off last year poorly and ended the season as one of the best. I think they should let the pen develop with Bruney back first before they throw Hughes in there.

SteveB said...

No.

Hughes needs innings, and needs to stretch himself out. He is 22, let him pitch on a regular basis in SWB & learn his craft, learn how to 'pitch'. Having him try to blow out hitters in one inning of use will work against his development. He isn't going to be a repeat of what Joba did in 2007-08, no matter how much we'd like him to be.

SteveB said...

Minor clarification-- Hughes will be 23 next month. Doesn't change anything though.

Anonymous said...

I think with Bruney back the bullpen will be solid. Bruney in the 8th, then you can have Coke and Albaledjo in the 7th depending on matchups. With Tomko and Veras in the 6th and Aceves as a long man. I think it will be a solid bullpen. I think with Bruney and Marte being injured it hurt Coke and Albaledjo. Coke was the second lefty in the pen and Albaledjo was the last man to make the team out of spring. I think with Bruney back they will settle into there roles.

Also I think Hughes will become a great pitcher. Remember he was injured for a portion of last year. He still needs to pitch to get his innings limit up. I think he should go back to Scranton and continuing to work on his pitches. And be the 6th starter. Also its not like Hughes is tearing it up with the yankees. He is still inconsistent.