Friday, April 3, 2009
And you thought the bleachers were bad
Here's some pictures of various obstructions throughout the stadium. Some are pretty terrible. A big thanks to Raymond for sending me these pics. The final image of the Plexiglass protector comes from a different source, a friend of mine who was there yesterday. I've heard that the Yankees are supposedly not selling or plan on completely removing the seats with major obstructions, but I don't know if that's true or not.
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I wouldn't buy those even for $5.
terrible....what were they doing when they designed this place...
you can always buy that seat and move down
Why wouldn't the architect and general contractor insist there NOT be obstructions? They were getting a lot of money and are the experts. Also, the team officials should have realized there would be obstructions and voiced dissent. Bad job by the architect and Turner Construction Company
ridiculous. how do you build a new stadium with these obstructed views. Which sections are these in?
seriously HOK is run by retards. One could tell looking at the plans that the wheelchair spaces are a complete disaster. and seriously if you're going to put in gigantic steel columns then just freaking go for it and cantilever the upper decks much closer. And who dreamed up the plexiglass? are we paranoid that in the upper deck all the way down the line someone is going to get beaned going for a hotdog. Under that logic they should have put up a 8 foot high plexi wall around the entire infield. These things are all really stupid obvious. The center field restaurant could have been built further back (allowing the yankees to still earn tons of cash) and closer parts of the restaurant could have been built like at wriggly (e.g. level with the bleachers). Just wait till camera flashes are going off all the time inside the restaurant. Oh, yeah, there is a rule saying you can't, I bet that stops all the iPhone glitterati. No doubt the top retard designers at HOK also made hundreds of thousands each in salaries for this too.
So the solution is too banned the wheelchair ticket holders?
Yankees wont get bad press if they did that.
yankees are not selling those tickets with major obstructions. The only major obstructions they are selling are the 5 dollar bleacher seats.
Are u sure about that anon?
Half of those arent even obstructions. If you cant see a part of the outfield wall, who really cares, you will know if the ball goes out regardless.
Real obstructions are not being able to see some of the infield, especially homeplate.
BTW the ones with the obstructed beams in the way will be eliminated.
As for the bunch with obstructions due to the railings, i suppose they will have to replace those with plexiglass railings, only way to solve that basically. You have to have railings for safety reasons.
Hey look it's bashthenewyankeestadium.com! Stop bitching Greg it's getting really old.
Anon,
Its pretty obvious that a lot of people care besides me.
Oh and its not my fault that HOK screwed up as bad as they did.
It's also pretty obvious that a lot of people absolutely love the new stadium and we're lucky as Yankee fans to be able to have such an experience.
I'd hate to be that guy who sits next to that pole in the first few pics. That's just terrible. I hope those tix are $5. I would just move my seat if I paid $5 for that.
Lucky? Maybe if you can afford the legend suites.
I think you've been eating too much of Lonn Trost's b.s.
Is the Yankee PR office trolling this site or something?
They will have to move the wheelchair platforms back into the concourse space, make them less deep, or get rid of the seats next to them. Those seats cost tons of money; nobody will want to pay hundreds to watch baseball through a fence and concrete. Duh, obviously the Yankees are not going to get rid of all the wheelchair seats. Obviously there are more choices than just that.
Haha wow talk about pessimistic. Nice work Greg.
So I guess I should be eating the Greg Cohen bs?
So you're saying you don't see anything wrong with these seats?
And how am I being pessimistic?
My bs? All I'm doing is posting pictures. You all can come to your own conclusions.
I wonder how many seats are affected by these obstructions. They are horrible.
As a Yankee fan, I am excited about the new Yankee Stadium whether it has imperfections or not. So it has some flaws, do I have to buy those tickets? No. I just find it funny that you are obviosuly a dedicated Yankee fan yet you choose to waste your time complaning about the problems.
i would buy a 5 dollar obstructed seat and just move to an open seat somewhere else haha its 5 dollars compared to what a 40 to 100 dollar seat? thats a bargain
I do love the Yankees, but these seats do bother me. Also I feel that if there are fans in these sections that read this blog they might want to know what they're getting into. As far as wasting my time I'm not. It took me ten mins to post this.
I MADE THE TEAM!!!!
Congrats Liam?
Thanks man.
Who wouldn't complain if they got stuck in one of those seats, that's awful.
I don't know how you can design a billion dollar stadium and have any obstucted views.
I'm sure 99% of the stadium is amazing, but christ a lot of those seats are awful.
I loved the upper deck of the old stadium, but the view of the corner outfield was obstructed in a lot of seats....never bothered me. Just the feeling of being in that atmosphere is the greatest part of yankee stadium. Every stadium is gonna have its share of shitty viewpoints.
Anonymous, I love the Yankees as much as anyone can. I very much want to love the new Yankee Stadium. Unfortunately so far it seems to me that it will give the real baseball fan like me less of a 'true baseball experience' than I had at the old place unless I am gong there to eat (which I am not), or unless I am going there for a great suntan in the lower decks (which I'm not) because they are completely exposed now, or unless I bring my binoculars to the upper decks (which I never had to do before) because they have been pushed so far away from they field, or unless I am bringing my laptop because they are providing internet access (which I am not). I won't be there until May so I can't say too much more than that right now. This design is clearly an HOK-standard cookie-cutter design that HOK has done for every single baseball stadium they've been involved in since they designed The Jake (Progressive Field) and Camden Yards in the 1990's. The Yankees filled in the blanks with a frieze, marble frontage, great LCD screen and they threw every piece of memorabilia they had into it, but that's it. It's not a terrible place, but for the real baseball fan it is clearly not superior to the stadium they already had, which is what they said it would be. It was built for one purpose-- to make more money for the NY Yankees.
As for the areas with blocked views--- I wouldn't even make an issue of it except for one thing-- Lonn Trost made a very big deal for the past 3 years about how he was removing ALL the obstructed views. He said ALL, not SOME. He used that as a big selling point to get everyone on board.
annoying Anon, quit bitching about Greg and find a new site, no one cares about you.
lol
Anon, thank you for the defense, but I have no intentions of sending anyone away, whether they agree with me or not. We're all entitled to our opinion. But once again, thanks for the defense.
Has anyone actually been sold any of those post-obstructed seats? I heard they would not be selling those seats that are badly obstructed, at least not without the person knowing what they were getting into.
Additionally, some of those photos are taken fron areas that are standing room only or not from sitting in an actual seat. Those shots that you have to look through glass exist in most front rows in every new ballpark as well. It's not ideal, but it's not an obstruction, and you get used to it very quickly. I had a view like that at game in Petco park and I was used to it before the game even started.
Show me a ballpark without those kinds of obstructions. Citi is worse in fact. You just simply can't 100% eliminate all obstructions. Until they start sticking full price ticket holders into obstructed views without telling them, I don't see what the issue is.
Since I took these pictures and sent them to Greg I will speak about how for the money they spent none, not one, zero seats should be in this stadium with any obstructed views. the sad fact is that all of them could have been avoided or fixed with a little planning and some imagination.
I have been talking about the problems with these obstructions for more than 2 years (including letters to Trost and Levine)lets get some things straight. 1. the Yankee brass,HOK, and Turner were aware of these problems and made a business decison to ignore them. Trost admitted to the restaurant obstruction by stating at the press tour the other day that they had a choice between the restaurant and some obstructed seats in the bleachers and they decided on keeping the restaurant. That speaks on how the Yankees really feel about the average fan. 2. This building and the seating was designed for and plays for the corporate fan. The Wall Street, Madison Ave rich person who may not have a passion for the game but they have money to spend and want to be seen at the "hot spot". Unfortunatly, the economy threw the Yankees a big curve and they are having a hard time with their over-priced seating. They have aleady priced out the average fan for the good seats and those who were in those seats for years were forced to move up and out. 3. Trost and Levine are counting on Yankees fans to be sheep; and just follow and forget about how they were screwed over. They're counting on it and judging from some of the comments here at this site "my Yankees right or wrong" mentality is exactly what Trost and Levine are counting on. It looks like they will get their wish. Its one thing to be a fan and love your team. I take a back seat to no one when it comes to rooting for and loving the Yankees. This is my 3rd Yankee Stadium. Hell, I've been going to the Stadium since the 1960 season. So no one can question my love for all things Ysnkees. However, you can't simply accept it when somone srews you over. It comes a point when you hsve to take an objective look and call it as you see it.
4. In all the new ballparks I've been to and I have had the opportunity to visit many of them, the handicapp seating is not extended out blocking the view of the seats in the next section. The concourse is one seat above the last row. There is a railing and the handicap seating is between 2 railings above and behind the last row. No brain surgery here. Just proper design that benifits both the seating customer and the handicap fan. But like the centerfield restaurant, somhow, the Yankees and HOK got it completely wrong. No excuse, in fact someone should be fired for approving this mess. 5. Monument park which should have been the focal point of the outfield area and a showcase of its history, is half hidden behind the centerfield fence and now a curtain of netting to hide the plagues and provide a solid dark area for the batter's eye. And how many times during the past 2 years have I posted comments that this area was going to nbe an eyesore. 6. While the great hall is spectacular, other than entering the building it serves no other useful purpose and takes up a lot of real estate making the first level concourse smaller than it could have been. the concourse is still packed with fans, making it difficult in soem areas to navigate. 7 the yankee brass and the announcer will continue to say how great the place is, and why not, they have access to all the great features the average fan will never see. But I believe the true measure of a team is how the average fsan is treated. A good seat at an fair price. An honest attempt to make the experience for the average fan with a family the best they can make it. It seems the yankees are pushing a lot of booze and expensive meals. taking care of the average fan, in this respect the Yankeess have failed. They have sold out to greed.
I recently stated that the building in many ways is great, but its unfortunate that the greatest team in baseball dosn't have the greatest stadium
Very well put, Raymond
The sentiment is shared among a large amount of fans.
They take away 5,000 seats and add a bunch of obstructed ones...and levine says this stadium is for the fans...
It seems that Yankees fans are split on this. Some don't seem to care at all, while others are very angry. I think it may be because those who are upset either don't go to games or if they do they have great seats. But that's not based on anything but my own assumptions.
I can't see how anyone who may actually have to spend their hard earned money to sit in these seats
don't care about this.
And yes, that was very well put Raymond.
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