Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Klapisch: Joe Girardi Managing for His Job

From Bob Klapisch:
As the Yankees slip just out of the Red Sox’ radar range, Joe Girardi enters a critical phase of his managerial career. He must prove he’s secure enough to survive the Bombers’ recent turbulence without burnout – to himself and his key players.

Girardi already crossed that line with Alex Rodriguez, using his refurbished slugger in 38 consecutive games after he returned from hip surgery. General manager Brian Cashman denies he had to intercede on A-Rod’s behalf, insisting the decision to rest Rodriguez was a medical recommendation, not a corporate rebuke. Still.

Girardi has a history of putting his foot on the gas. In 2006, the year he was voted National League Manager of the Year with the Marlins, Girardi heavily taxed his young rotation. Three of the five starters — Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco and Anibal Sanchez – all suffered injuries the following season. And another, Dontrelle Willis, has never been the same.

It’ll be just as compelling to watch Girardi managing for his job. That’s really the underlying issue, as he knows he’s history if the Yankees fail to make
the playoffs for a second straight season.

Girardi tipped his hand two weeks ago, when he summoned Mariano Rivera into the eighth inning of a tie game against the Mets with two out and nobody on base. That’s the strategy of fear — changing bullpen responsibilities without prior notice, making it up as he went along. Girardi almost got burned, too, saved only by Luis Castillo’s error in the bottom of the ninth inning.

Girardi’s demeanor doesn’t go unnoticed in the clubhouse. “Tight” is how one veteran described his manager without rancor. Of course, tight can be another form of intensity that complements Girardi’s obvious intelligence. And to be fair, he’s represented the organization in a commendable way — as opposed to say, Ozzie Guillen, who embarrasses the White Sox on a near-daily basis.

It’s because Girardi knows his managerial career will be over if he gets fired by the Yankees. The team is feeling the angst over ticket sales — they failed to sell out the Subway Series and are urgently reminding fans that seats are available for the Red Sox series in August.

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That pressure trickles down to Cashman, then to Girardi and, ultimately, to the players. Some can handle it. Others, such as A-Rod, cannot. Girardi can’t be blamed for everything that goes wrong in the Yankees’ universe, but he’s being paid to get the most out of his players.

How Girardi fulfills that mandate in the next few weeks will be worth watching.

There was talk earlier in the offseason about how Girardi entered this year on the hot seat. First Neil Best asked the question on January 2nd, then a little over a month later, on February 13th, Bryan Hoch and Ken Davidoff both wrong that all the pressure heading into this year was on Girardi. I agreed that this was going to be a make or break year for Girardi and it basically depended on one thing, if the Yanks made the playoffs or not.

Then in May Mark Feinsand wrote that people were starting to grow tired of Girardi. At the time the Yankees were struggling, had lost four in a row, and sat 5.5 games out of first.

I defended him at the time, mainly because I felt it would be very difficult for any manager to handle all those early season injuries the Yankees and Girardi were dealing with. But I also said that "The only way I'd want to see him fired sooner is if the Yankees are close to full strength and are still 10 or more games out by the All-Star break."

Now it's June 23rd, the Yankees are about as healthy as we can hope they could be - they're only waiting for Xavier Nady to come back - but they're four games back and are playing some of their worst baseball of the season. Besides that, Girardi is making mistake after mistake and looks like a deer in headlights on the bench, sometimes acting as if he doesn't know what he's doing. Also, he seems to put too much importance in some games and not as much into others, and the team seems to play accordingly. So, with all that here comes the Girardi talk once again. Not only do we have the article above from Klapisch, but Joe Sherman also wrote something similar about it this morning on his blog.

Will he be fired any time soon? I wouldn't bet on that. I still think if they're within' ten games of first he stays. But like Klapisch says, if he doesn't make it to the postseason this year he's done. In the end, though, I think this team will make the playoffs and Girardi will hang around at least one more season.

What is your take on Joe Girardi after almost a year and a half on the job?

Do you think he deserves more job security than it seems like he has?

15 Comments:

Anonymous said...

YES he does deserve more job security. He has dealt with nothin but injuries: last year Wang, Matsui, Damon, I am sure I'm missing others. This year ARod, Matsui's knees, Damon's aging body, Jorge's and Molina's injury and then relying on Cervelli and Pat Cash to fill in. And then there is Wang again, mind & body?, Tex's slow start, Brian Bruney, Joba pitching just OK, hot and cold Nick Swisher. Nice surprises have been Pena, Melky and Gardner. Let him stay, he's a bright guy with decades of experience, and I hope the team eventually gets younger and more flexible, not just built on aging home run hitters. This is how we did it in the 90's. Knobby got on, moved over, hits happened and runs scored. We beat texas all the time in the playoffs who were home run hitters, not situational hitters. Man they need to give Joe G a break. Fire him, and he will definitely be hired by another team, maybe in the AL East too.

Anonymous said...

I dont like how he manages pitching. He does seem to coach scared

Anonymous said...

Article: "Girardi tipped his hand two weeks ago, when he summoned Mariano Rivera into the eighth inning of a tie game against the Mets with two out and nobody on base. That’s the strategy of fear — changing bullpen responsibilities without prior notice, making it up as he went along."

That's horsesh**. FINALLY a manager does what he should do with his best reliever: use him when there is a crisis, not let the game get out of hand while the "closer" rots on the bench. This is how Gossage and other "firemen" were used. If it worked out, Girardi would be hailed as a genius. It didn't, so now this is evidence of "managing scared."

I call BS.

In any case, if this is scared, I'll take it over they typical zombie-like BP usage of most managers.

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bruceb said...

I don't share your confidence, Greg, that the Yanks will make the playoffs. I know we're only a third of the way through the season but instead of kicking on, we've gone backwards in the last 12 games, which has allowed the Blue Jays and Rays to close the gap on us. I'm not worried about Toronto; I don't think they will last the course. But the Rays may well be the second-best team in baseball behind the Sox. Remember, they've had injury problems too but are now firing on all cylinders. Yes, the Yanks look strong on paper. What troubles me is that I just can't see the Sox or Rays losing back-to-back series to the Marlins and Nationals. As for Girardi, he hardly looks an inspirational manager. Right now, his big-name players are letting him down: A-Rod, Jeter, Damon, Posada. Are they just past their prime or would it be a different story if Joe Torre was still in charge? I suspect the answer is a mixture of both.

Greg Cohen said...

There's no reason Mo should have been in that game. A) It was a tie game in June in the 8th, and B) Mo stinks in tie games. It was a poor managerial decision two ways.

"If it worked out, Girardi would be hailed as a genius."

Not true at all. There is nothing genius about that move, whether it worked or didn't.

HarlemKnight said...

Sigh. This is silly.

If anyone remembers my first post some time ago, I said as much from the very beginning. And until they prove to me otherwise, this is nothing more than a .500 club. A crew of overpaid underachievers. They won’t make the playoffs, and if they somehow do, they’ll be mismanaged out of the first round. Bottom line: Don’t expect a parade in the Canyon of Heroes this year.

Second, and I don’t care if any of my fellow Yankees fans disagrees with me on this, but to me, Girardi is managing scared. Plain and simple. The team’s whole body language is wrong. Even when they were beating the teams they were supposed to beat, it was a false sense of confidence that got murderously crushed when they faced Boston. Since that glorious moment... Well, nothing.

Injuries aside, some of the mistakes that he’s made regarding the personnel especially pitching is down right laughable, and only now it’s catching up to him. I seriously think he got exposed in the Red Sox and Phillie series. It wasn’t about them being the better teams (I’ll save that debate for another time); I honestly believe it was the moves that he made and it how it comically backfired. It was sad and frustrating to watch.

Third, you think a guy who cut his teeth in the NL where small-ball is the norm offensively speaking he would preach that to his players. I mean, the team is built for it (get them on, get them over, get them in). I haven’t seen that style since the 90’s. Now, it’s get one on and hope for the big hit and pray like hell to hold things in check before we get to Mo. And even he's not so automatic anymore.

I know the season isn’t over yet, and I dearly hope I’m wrong. But, don’t you dare get mad at me when the moment does come and I’m among the many to scream at all of you that I told you so.

I await your replies…

bruceb said...

HarlemKnight: I agree with your point that Girardi is managing scared. I have some sympathy with him because we'd probably be doing the same if our job was on the line, but you just can't run a MLB team that way. That general air of panic and anxiousness has spread to the players.

Greg Cohen said...

HarlemKnight,

First, how is this silly if you think Girardi is managing scared, mismanging the games, making the wrong decisions, etc? Wouldn't that mean that he's part of the problem and that this debate is actually very necessary?

Anonymous said...

girardi < torre

HarlemKnight said...

Greg:

The silly part is this being a debate in the first place. I and just about every other Bomber backer remembers (or conveniently doesn’t) Torre taking potshots from Girardi from the broadcast booth before he was disrespectfully axed. Questioning his decisions, the lineups, his leadership (“Where’s the urgency? Where’s the fire?” he asked at one game), and so on, pretty much sounding like the “smartest” manager in the booth in a company of morons.

And now, Girardi is finding out how tough the job really is. It’s even tougher when your glaring mistakes are out in the open for all to see. I can’t remember so many fans so livid at the manager. Now, I’m not looking for perfection, but I question if he really knows the club he’s managing. This isn’t a video game. That’s what I meant by managing scared. Now, I don’t hate the man, but it seriously doesn’t look like he’s in charge of the club. Not at all. Prove it to me otherwise. I dare all of you.

And as the reporters previously wrote, he’s done this before. There’s a reason the Marlins got rid of him after he won Manager of the Year. Reasons that you or I don’t hear or read about in the papers.

My thing is that management brought him up as some sort of savior from the “abysmal” managing style or Joe Torre and well, here we are. Part of me wants the Yanks to fail because of this.

I know, I know. That last line was kind of harsh. But, as fan I expect better than this. We all did.

Anonymous said...

More evidence of Girardi's shortcomings per Peter Abraham:

George King of the Post talked to Sabathia yesterday and asked him what he thought caused the pain. Was it throwing 253 innings in the 2008 regular season and making his last four starts on three days’ rest?

“No, that’s not it,” Sabathia said. “It could be the 120 pitches this year.”

Has CC been abused this season? Let’s check it out.

Sabathia has thrown 119+ pitches three times this season: April 16 (122), May 2 (119) and June 11 (123). In his 14 starts before the injury, he pitched into the eighth inning eight times.

When Sabathia was with the Indians and Brewers last season, he did not get to 119 pitches until June 5 and his first time over 120 was on July 2. He pitched into the eighth inning four times in his first 14 starts.

So Yankees manager Joe Girardi has pushed Sabathia more than he was last season, but not by an unreasonable amount. Throwing 122 pitches in mid April is eye-opening. But it’s hard to say that caused a sore arm two months later.

CC is also a 28-year-old man with a long-term contract. If he thinks he has had enough, he can voice that opinion and presumably the manager would listen to him.

But these situations bear watching. Clearly Girardi made an error by playing Alex Rodriguez every day, something that even he admitted. And now Sabathia is raising questions about his use.

Danny said...

I feel Girardi should not have been hired in the first place. He went from managing the Marlins to the Yankees. He does not have the experience to manage a top baseball team. His decisions on coaches to his personnel all scream inexperience. This is too big a job for only one year of managing experience prior to this.
Harlem is absolutely right. I've pointed out before that the Marlins got real healthy after Girardi was gone. I also remember the pot shots he took, it looked a lot like campaigning from the booth knowing that Torre was a dead man walking, which really makes me question his character. Torre went out of his way to shield Girardi from heavy criticism as a player when Mike Stanley was traded for him. All the pre bandwagoners remember how much we loved Stanley his first time around with the Yanks.

daneptizl said...

I thought Girardi was the right choice when he was first hired, thinking that he was going to be more of a strategic coach... I see that I was wrong... I'd have no problem giving someone else a shot, but I don't have much of a clue as to who would be the candidates. I just want a strategy-inclined(not dumb) guy.

Greg Cohen said...

The CC info is interesting. I'm surprised he'd even mention something like that.