Yankees general manager Brian Cashman spoke on Tuesday with his Blue Jays counterpart, J.P. Ricciardi, as the Red Sox emerged as a leading player for Jays ace Roy Halladay.
Where the Red Sox go, the Yankees follow, and vice versa.
But how serious the Yankees are about Halladay is not known.
The Phillies remain firmly in the mix for Halladay while also exploring options such as Indians left-hander Cliff Lee and Mariners lefty Jarrod Washburn, sources say.
The Rangers continue to show persistence in the Halladay discussions, though many doubt whether they could afford the financial commitment.
The Angels, unable to offer a major-league-ready starting pitcher such as Phillies lefty J.A. Happ or Red Sox righty Clay Buchholz, are on the periphery along with the Dodgers.
With Friday's nonwaiver deadline looming, it is not surprising that Cashman touched base with Ricciardi, regardless of whether he was motivated by the Red Sox's pursuit of Halladay.
For Cashman, such contact is routine. He also inquired on Lee and Washburn on Tuesday.
Cashman, like his Red Sox counterpart, Theo Epstein, checks in on every available big name. Often, Cashman's interest is minimal. But occasionally, he's up to something more.
Informed that the Yankees were merely "touching base" on Halladay, one rival general manager cracked, "That means they're all in."
The Blue Jays, one source says, want both Chamberlain and Phil Hughes in any package for Halladay. The Yankees might include one, but not the other. They also are loathe to put either in the same package with catcher Jesus Montero, who has an .891 OPS at Class AA at age 19. But the Jays also like other Yankees prospects -- catcher Austin Romine, center fielder Austin Jackson, left-hander Jeremy Bleich.First of all, if the Sox land Halladay you can pretty much say goodbye to the division. I know some would disagree, but I can't see how that Red Sox team with Roy Halladay doesn't take the division. 2.5 games to makeup with that staff is nothing.
The same thing can be said for the Yanks if they land him. A Yankee team with CC, AJ, and Doc would be a force to be reckoned with. And I wonder if the idea of Halladay in Boston and the recent injuries to Wang and Aceves might force Cashman to make a move he may not want to make. I assume there is at least some pressure from Hank and Hal to win this year, acquiring Halladay, or even Washburn or Lee would increase those chances by a lot.
Rosenthal also mentioned that Cashman may have been talking to Riccardi about right-hand reliever Jason Frasor. And, we've also heard they were interested in left-handed reliever Scott Downs.
Personally, I'd rather see the Yanks land Downs and Washburn. I think those two additions are really all the Yankees need. Downs has been one of the better relief pitchers in the league over the past three years and Washburn continues to prove he can be a very effective pitcher, even on bad teams.
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I completely agree with Downs and Washburn.
Hopefully Doc goes to the NL.
Greg, I do disagree with you, I don't think it spells doom for the Yanks if the Sox land him bc they still have other holes.
As much as I'd love to see Doc in a NY uniform I don't think its in the works. Joba and Hughes are what they would want and thats too much. I agree I'd love to land Downs and Washburn b/c of the options it opens up and will give the Yanks 3 leftys in the pen with Marte, Downs and Coke.
I think the only way we get Doc is if we give up Joba, Hughes, Montero, Jackson and Romain.
CC, DOC, AJ in the playoffs is a force to be reckon with... I would go for it if you can keep hughes and trade joba.
lately the sox problem hasn't been pitching - it's been their inability to score runs, so the above comment about them continuing to have holes would be correct.
i wouldn't trade hughes or joba, on the contrary i would offer ajax (i know everyone loves him, but jesus man the guy strikes out more, has less power, and is slower than brett gardner. let the hype around him allow us to make a deal for halladay centered around ajax.
Please tell me how you see the Sox not winning the division with Roy Halladay? You do know he's the best pitcher in the sport right now. What he's been able to accomplish in the AL East on a consistently bad team is ridiculous.
Anon,
Who isn't slower than Brett Gardner?
I believe that they wont win the Division with Halladay b/c they have holes.
RF is one, Drew is only batting .244 with 40 rbi, not corner OF production.
SS is another, they can not win with Green and Lowrie there.
Who's playing 3rd? Who's evernot playing SS right? Another hole.
I just dont see Halladay winning them the division. Not with Smoltz not preforming, not with Dice-K on the Dl, not with Wakefield being Shut-down, not with Saito struggling, not with Bard the rookie setting up.
To me the only thing holding the Sox together is some spit and gum.
Didn't look at it like that, plenty of holes there.
Couldn't you say the Yanks have holes too though?
For starters, I don't think Halladay is the unanimous choice for best SP in the game. A lot of the hype surrounding him has been created by the likes of ESPN, simply because there weren't any other interesting trade stories to report on. I'm not denying his considerable talent, but the guy is 32 now, and with a history of being worked hard by Toronto. I'd still take at least three other pitchers over Halladay, those being Beckett, Santana and Lincecum.
That being said, I don't believe Doc wraps up the division for Boston, and I think saying that with such confidence is a bit foolish. In a 5 game set, Beckett/Doc/Lester is a formidable 1-2-3 punch, but Boston clearly has a multitude of other issues. Don't forget we have a 2 and a 1/2 game lead in spite of an 0-8 record head to head versus the Sox. Even if we play poor .500 baseball over the last 60 games, we still creep in at 91 wins.
This team is playing too tough right now for that to happen. The pressure is all on Boston. If anything, a move for Halladay just proves how panicked Theo and his crew really are.
Greg, I have to disagree as well. No one player can guarentee a team a division. If they want to go mortgage their future for a year and a half of Roy Halladay, they can go ahead.
Theo and Cashman are both to smart to do that. Halladay's not coming to either New York or Boston.
I just dont see the Yankees matching up in a playoff series against Halladay Beckett and Lester.
I think we'll both make the playoffs wether or not the Sox get Halladay but thats where it will end for us.
-G
Anything can happen in a short series and I happen think that Sabathia-Burnett-Chamberlain can match up with that rotation if all three are clicking. Besides that, if Hughes and Mariano are on their game, its a 6 inning game for Boston. That's actually a series that could be a lot of fun.
Its far to early to speculate on the playoffs though of course.
just out of curiosity RAB, NM, even Yes do cover-it-live chats, why not SIH
I wish you people would stop letting your Yankee Bias talk for you!! Im the bigest Yankee fan there is but come on...The Yanks r only up by 2 games...and if the Sox have a rotation of Halladay, Beckette, Lester, Wafefield...I mean come on, the Yankees would never get passed them! Pitching wins championships guys!! CC has not been CC, AJ has been good, Joba is streaky...just how r we better then the Sox with a staff that is dominent against the Yankees line up?
I would give up Hughes and any prospect Toronto wants!!
Halladay could be the difference maker come Playoff time!!
so your willing to sell the farm, discount the future to win this year, as oppose to winning for years with the pieces we give up? Thats stupid logic.
going after doc halladay would be the worst move for the yankees to make. with the "injury" to aceves and the fact that the starting five is giving the team innings, it makes more sense to invest in a reliever like oh, i dont know, scott downs.
If we keep are future pieces and they dont come around for like 2-4 years...Jeter, ARod, Posada, and the rest will all be too old!! We have a window to win with the veterens on this team!! We can build up the farm in the years to come and you know we are always capable to sign the big free agents...so why not give this great team the best chance of winning so that we dnt waste yet another great team because we werent willing to make the big move!!
Im a Yankee fan but I really dnt understand other Yankee fans!!
Everyone is so absessed with the future, they dont even bother wory about the PRESENT!!
If you don't believe Halladay is as good as "ESPN" says he is, just look at his stats and the division he's done it in.
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I don't do live chats because I have no idea if any of you would show up. If you want one, I'll provide it.
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I clearly said I'd rather the Yankees get Washburn and Downs. I never said the Yanks should make a move for Halladay. I wonder, though, if Cashman will be pressured to do so because of the Sox interest.
As far as the Sox with Halladay goes, I don't really understand how anyone can't see how much better he makes any team. But let's just agree to disagree.
We just have do what we always do. Before the Sox would get Doc, we just won every time Beckett won. Sure, they'll win the games Doc pitches, but if we just win the same day he pitches, it will be fine. We are the ones in the driver's seat. All we have to do is win games. Besides, the Yankees finally proved they could beat him last time.
The playoffs is adifferent animal, though.
The thing is... Chamberlain wouldn't be our 3rd starter when the playoffs come.
True, Dane, it would be Pettitte.
To anon...
Other players will take their places. Donnie Baseball retired, so we brought in Tino. Believe it or not, the future is more important than you think. Should we have traded Williams, Rivera, and Jeter for veterans because the 1995 team was in win-now mode? I'm sick and tired of the Eric Duncans and Brad Halseys of the world. Why do you think the Yankees are winning so many games? 58% homegrown players! Those players previously were the future.
So should we sacrifice the entire 2010s so we can possibly get a little better this year? I think this team with this huge payroll should be capable of winning. If not, that is just pathetic.
on a side bar the phillies are about to get cliff lee.
That's bad for the NL East. You can just about wrap that division up with that addition.
The Phillies getting Cliff Lee will open up discussions even more for the Red Sox. I have a hard time believing that the Red Sox wont be much more dangerous with Halladay in that rotation. 80% of the time we can't hit Beckett or Halladay. Odds are stacked against us in a playoff series.
-G
Off-topic a bit, but now that anon mentioned it, would you guys be interested in a live chat sometime friday afternoon for the trade deadline?
Right now I think Chamberlain would be our third starter and Pettitte the fourth. Again, far to early to tell.
Halladay doesn't guarentee Boston a championship or even the division. However, it wouldn't guarentee the Yankees anything.
Why is it that when we talk about him going to the Yankees, the general consensus is that it would be a bad move but when we talk about him going to Boston, Theo would be a genius?
I'm up for a live chat if you want.
We did a few at the Chuck Knoblog, we didn't get to much participation though.
I dunno tough call. My initial reaction was we dont need Doc, lets develop our crop of young promising minor leaguers into home grown major leaguers but now that the Red Sox are in the mix I start to think maybe we need to keep him away from the Red Sox....Doc is awesome but the asking price is awfully high for a 32 year old pitcher with 1 year left on his deal
I dont want to trade joba or hughes or any of the minor leaguers. Asking for both joba and hughes is just crazy to me. These guys are cheap and have tons of upside. Doc is an established star but hes getting up there in age...I dont think Id pull the trigger unless the asking price came down significantly but I suppose you have to be in the bidding to make sure that if the Sox get Doc that they pay alot for it...
...it looks like we have 2 catchers in the farm system who look like the real deal I guess we could afford to trade one of them right but who else do we throw in the package? I still think both Joba and Hughes have great potential as pitchers, starting or in relief, they are so cheap and they are homegrown and very young. Im not really willing to trade either one. To keep Doc away from Red Sox I might do Hughes & one of our minor league catcher stars for Doc but then Joba has to move into the bullpen, but again I dont want to trade Hughes or Joba and its not that I am afraid of the Sox with Doc, Im just afraid Ill be kicking my tv if Doc goes to the Red Sox and they do to the world series....such a tough call, hopefully he gets traded to the Brewers
As far as Boston or the Yanks future goes a Halladay move would hurt, but I think if either team traded for him they'd make themselves a whole lot better and would probably be WS favorites.
I think people look at a Yankees deal more negatively than a Sox deal is because we've fell in love with our prospects. While at the same time discount the quality of the Sox farm.
if,
Chamberlain, Jackson, Romain and a PTBNL get it done,
Pull the freakin' trigger.
It wouldn't be Joba because they won't shut Joba down and then get him ready to start again when the playoffs come.
...Jays arent making the playoffs
Don't confuse Halladay kicking our tails for the past 8 years with being successful in a tough division. He's 13-12 career against the Sox with an ERA north of 4.30, and only 11-9 versus Tampa Bay.
I am NOT denying he's a brilliant pitcher, but I don't think he makes a HUGE difference to a Boston team with more issues than I can count on both hands. And look at those career numbers, people. If Cashman does sweep in at the last second and steal him away, Yankee fans should not expect him to be our savior against Boston.
Pretty sure he will be a Yankee next year. What are your thought?
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